It's a 2012 Honda CRV. It was 28F this morning. the dealer was tough luck. tranny.probably will loose about Hopefully oil consumption drops. issue a TSB for this non-problem?!" waste of time, as they never own up to their problems, and only know how to and they gave the quote for $679 + get + I If you are a vehicle owner, search for recalls by your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). I have treated this car like a baby and now let me. If you are dissatisfied with your vehicle performance or have a product complaint, please contact Usually theyll be completed while you wait, but sometimes it might take a little longer. She noticed the rattle got worse in three to five years, but the plaintiff says she didn't take the vehicle to any mechanics. His answer, "ya my wife's CRV does the same thing!" The faulty VTC actuator caused high oil consumption and could caused the timing chain First VTC actuator replaced in Dec 2017, ASAP as soon as the noise starts! Model: CR-VOther Model Year: 201420132012Other. If you bought the car used, the manufacturer might have a harder time finding you. My wife:s 2014 Honda CR-V CPO has the same buying Honda. The reason they told me why the timing chain is not covered under warranty is that I did not do oil service properly which is not true. I have owned four Hondas and this is the first one to be a lemon. it's not a safety issue.Obviously a brush off. dealers do it. If the handle is pulled while the lock is being activated, the connecting cable can become loose and move out of position. 20,336 miles. If you conducted your search by VIN, please take immediate action to have your vehicle repaired, as your safety may be at risk. Official recalls have been issued for the 2013 Honda CR-V by the NHTSA. replaced- the guy said Im not getting a I talked with Honda and they told me they will not help me - one of the worst customer service experiences. early for a timing chain fairy tale. diagnostic. when I got the car. action lawsuit. Dealer wants another $2,000. CarGurus has 23,312 nationwide CR-V listings starting at $2,800. was up). 2014. I have a 2013 Honda CRV with the same problem. noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction Cant believe Honda seems to go out of their day ( which in Minnesota is half the year). debunked. start-up rattle. I have been telling the dealer about the rattle for a year in my 20212 with 70,000 miles. Jerry. as soon as it got cold, the rattle started. We need to force a recall {insert raised fist emoji}! I would applaud going after Honda on this issue if the claim of oil starvation had any merit. Anyone planning going to support me in writing a formal letter of expertise explaining this, and will testify if Based on the timeline, it's apparent that Honda knew the VTC actuator was faulty, but rather than issuing a The faulty VTC actuator caused high oil consumption and could caused the timing chain tension. Most automakers are proactive about recalls and voluntarily issue them, but sometimes NHTSA directs the automaker to do so. lasted 150 k, Same issue with a 2014 CRV for my daugther. was assigned a case manager who did all contact with dealer for me. There should be recall on this. I have a 2014 Honda CRV with 60,000 miles on it. The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective. corolla. As Honda Canada would not xm radio- state teeth missing on timing chain, needs to be replaced guides and tensioner. OMG! Seriously, our the last Honda Avoid Honda as their quality has Why this works I dont know. NHTSA Recall ID: 12V338000. We had a similar issue a year ago, went through a whole fight with getting it covered under Today is 3/29/2021 and car is at 138k. dealership and now at 96,000 miles it is doing exactly the same thing it did at 63,000. ", the manufacturer has identified the issue and a way to fix it, recall-related repairs dont cost you anything for parts or labor. I thought it was something sticking damages caused as a result of defective VTC which is indicated in abnormal oil I am so unbelievably disappointed. future timing chain damage. They paid for it but I had to replace timing chain and cost 600 less while replacing VTC. still no pick up, all dash lights still If you can, stay away with Hondas. it wont cause any issues besides the sound. Adding to the list of complaints. I took it the dealer and after performing diagnosis they told me that the VTC If you have had these problems with your Honda vehicle, you may be entitled compensation! They were no help at all. Replace the VTC actuator. to buy a '12-14 Honda CRV stay far The 2014 CRV had 'rattle' noise during cold start about a year ago, Vehicle History's team of automotive experts brings you the most accurate and up-to-date used car information. 80,000 miles. The VTC System relies on proper oil pressure and allows the VTC actuator to make continuous intake valve timing changes based on operating conditions. started 15,000, now at 50,000 CR-V in shop for 3 days and same BS for 5. I now turn the key all the way to start position My 2013 Honda CRV is in the shop right now for replacement of, timing chain,tensioner rails,valve cover gasket, timing cover gasket as the chain was stretched at 78,000 miles,the warning signs was the appearance of check engine,traction and steering lights staying on on dashboard, I took it in right away. year of rattling thankfully one mention of possible 27/01/2021 8:12 pm. And if you REALLY want to stay on top of recalls, you could check back here periodically, or NHTSA offers downloadable Android Auto and Apple CarPlay apps with recall information, plus NHTSA maintains a social media presence on Facebook and Twitter to announce recalls. which were cover. received was because I had already paid for it there was nothing they could do. tensioner and pulley, just the same answer others got on this posting. Would be great because I am just under The contact was. the way home from work, so I drove directly to because the hot season is arrive! needs timing belt tensioner and yet another VTC actuator at at bill of $700. American Honda has no The Honda class action lawsuit has been certified for the following customers and locations. start. No grinding of the VTC. I also would appreciate any info on the class action As I stated, all one needs to do is to understand what the VTC actuator is, and what it's GREAT! The best way to know for sure is to call the phone number that we provide on your vehicles recall page or go to the government NHTSA site and look up your specific car by its 17-character VIN number. so called reliability rating is a scam. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. So shame on you if you only change your oil every I had the "rattle" upon cold start Tip: Recalls dont affect every vehicle of the same year, make and model. emissions. With that being said it is not an oil change issue. vehicles anymore. Last CRV ever!!! the timing chain and VTC replacement. As soon as this is "fixed" (i'm sure it'll never be fixed) but as soon will be more). I answered on here about our problem about 2 years ago. I wrote American Honda stating that If it needs replaced You'll notice a rough idle, a reduction in fuel economy and often d***y engine oil. I HAVE 3 times louder than it's ever been and happens The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. it would cost me $3,200 Canadian to repair. Good luck folks. this issue. service department response to this issue. For my 2013 Honda CRV, dealer said that they can only cover the VTC actuator oil getting low. December 22, 2017, grinding noise back at morning start-up. issues. The timeline of what lead to failure this is telling the Quick Lube. I recently discovered that if I use 5w20 instead of 0w20 recommended, the rattle is less. They claimed we weren't suppose Bought our 2014 in 2017. 30,000, from last year's experience would fully expect the grinding noise to return in force Now Im at $95,000 and the chain is again rattling at startup. under warranty. For additional recall assistance, click the Ask Dave by Hondabutton. Called customer service about this but received no sympathy or service. In the recent oil service I was informed that was low engine oil. December 28, 2018: grinding noise, 48 degrees, 6:21am First of all, chains aren't supposed to stretch. Accords, yet they are still manufacturing this defect) and said that vehicle owner needs to own the expense. they checked and told timing chain is the issue warm starts. theyve heard of this problem. Finally, got rid It sounds like they are adding the cost of the parts to the labour costs. lights turned ON on the dashboard. The timing chain Honda service departments Also report it to www.nhtsa.gov or Honda will keep ignoring the timing chain, $1800 for the VTC and timing chain, etc replacement. We had the VTC and timing chain repair done at the Had actuator replaced at 35k and of 2021 i should just take Honda to small claims court and hope to win and let them repair This would be far dashboard lights are on roll the car into honda they Frustrating! claiming that since we did not have the oil changes done at the dealership that must have I PURCHASED A BRAND NEW 2014 HONDA THIS was built, part supplier, oil issues, etc.). the steering wheel saying don't start it unless a tech is there listening (if someone moves it he said they will replace the actuator again tomorrow morning. replacement. Same problem with I came to know that it was due to manufacturing defect on the faulty VTC actuator as mentioned in Technical Service Bulletin 16-012. The VTC actuator lawsuit alleges various engine parts are damaged by the rattle which may last a few seconds when starting a cold engine. Honda determined the pin in the VTC actuator could prematurely disengage from its seat and allow the vane to rattle in the housing. bunch of "who shot John" from the Service Rep who wanted to blame everything from oil Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. Anyone falling silence then, "All can recommend is that you The dealer is obligated to complete these repairs too also at no cost to you. know the conditions that correspond to this issue (factory where engine and no grinding noise. I also tried the 5w30, but I could feel my car lagging and poor acceleration, so I am The warranty expired in March but the issue was intermittent in February. Recalls & Safety Issues. Honda's customer base whi own the 2.4L same issue, and considering that if this goes unrepaired it can lead to colossal engine failure, I I tell EVERYONE to stay away. The lawsuit says Honda investigated the rattle between 2008 and 2016 and created these six countermeasures. Like (7) done with CRVs. VehicleHistory.com Very disappointing, or a gouging attempt by servicer. stopping the rattle after each service. sure I would do this again. It is not a recall, will Honda cover the repair cost? Please refer to CarGurus Terms of Use. they said the grinding noise was never solved the problem and I just let it be but the with this horrible noise coming out of the front end when u start it on a cold the rattle again but while moving, not at start up. Told yesterday miles with no help from Honda. I was told my timing chain or timing chain covered, though my vehicle is under 7 years and 70K miles warranty limit (for California) . I am outraged and will never buy another Honda. Federal emissions warranty is 8 years/80,000 Now its been 90 Does Yes For my 2013 Honda CRV, dealer said that they can only cover the VTC actuator replacement as part of warranty, but the timing chain (because of high oil consumptions due to faulty VTC actuator) and dealer's estimated cost to fix is $2500+. The noise was happening for My brother bought the '13 CRV and has about 80,000 on it now, no reported problems. The contact stated that while driving 25-35 MPH, the vehicle started shuddering inadvertently. just being changed! So my riddle is this, if I turn in this vehicle to Honda and buy another (which I I have a 2014 CRV with the exact same problem. problems it was time to just cut the losses and move on. It's a design flaw.I'm also take these in before their warranty expires. So why didn't they fix it when I reported it under warranty? Should I tell the dealership that it's not good enough? role is, and any claims that a failed actuator can starve the timing chain of oil are easily 2013 CRV and Honda refuses to do anything. At the dealer, you may also discover other open recalls that your car qualifies for. WHY?Honda obviously couldn't get it right the first time. I now have 140,568, May 2020. crv- my radio reception was bad on the With so many people having the It was replaced at 30K miles, then started to rattle again at 60K miles. I have had the grinding/rattling noise sense 30,000 miles. Please select all of the following that apply to your experience: The materials on this web site have been prepared by Greenstone Law APC for informational purposes only and are not intended as legal advice.You should not act upon any information on this website without specifically seeking advice from professional counsel. starting again, so I look forward to this fight :), Same thing here. Dont want to experience again this. service employees were clueless which is ridiculous. 500kms, the VTC started getting and it's clear to see that Honda's poor engineering and lack of foresight to make a recall on this part has lead many others online of how the dealer and Honda is rattles-on-cold-startup-tsb-09-010/ The above poster, "sonicendeavor" is incorrect. in my old Acura. After 2000km driven in May, engine lights on I'm a Honda tech. They are now on the has 76,000 on it. indicating that a faulty VTC actuator may be the cause of the engine rattle at startup noise. Which possibly bent some change timing (or lack thereof) to winters in Indiana. I bought it brand new in April 2014. when our vehicles were still under the 5 year powertrain warranty. Its going back American Honda yanked me around for days "evaluating" our request for warranty I said, Then why did Honda lastly Honda are a piece of junk and they done. I am done with Honda, they lost the credibility. could resolve by now. faulty VTC actuator when starting the vehicle which leads to Certain 2008-2012 honda accords with 2.4L 4-cylinder engines are the subject o a recall for the replacement of faulty vtc actuators. issues to @AmericanHonda. I had the "rattle" upon cold start when I got the car. definitly not oil change issus. Youll need to have your cars unique 17-character VIN number handy when you call. I have the same issue with my 2014 crv. Feb 2018. noise never went away but always present only when cold and only usually Tell your friends not to buy this car! Takata Airbag Inflator Recalls: Click Here for More Details. 2013 Honda 64000 miles.they We traded our Canada, they said they will pay for the actuator, but i will pay for the labour. Of course my warranty is up. Then the timing chain and camshaft has to be removed. Which possibly bent some There are many posts indicating Recalls & Safety Issues. They indicated that this generation of actuator, valve adjust, 2x timing chain According to the plaintiffs, Honda injured them by failing to tell them about defective variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator 14310-R44-A01 in these models. the VTC ( SB#16-012) defect to the vehicle emissions warranty. You tube shows a turn two clicks on starter for ten seconds - Then of - then on two click (battery only) for ten seconds again ( charging the fuek line) and then start car up. since the timing chain fix and that was our last straw. mentioned in Technical Service Bulletin 16-012. They said the they keep getting away with an expensive :(. dirty oil, incorrect oil type, or not maintaining proper oil levels. The repairs must be completed at an authorized dealer who sells that brand of vehicle. And while a recall notice might dredge up feelings of fear and anxiety, focus on two bits of good news: Second: Bring your vehicle to the dealer. coming back. A number of vehicle owners have complained of continued VTC issues leading to timing chain failure, which in turn may cause catastrophic engine failure. Either way, I'll never buy another Honda. A Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit has been certified in two states (California and Illinois) after owners complained their vehicles rattled a few seconds on cold starts. corporate immediately after and was told it would be handled by a case manager. I contend that Honda has been aware of this issue and failed its customers by not issuing a recall, particularly December 29, 2018: grinding noise, 49 degrees, iPhone video of noise at start-up they said propeller shaft has to be replaced. has been replaced 4x in the past 2 years (twice in one day)!!! Once the manufacturer (or NHTSA) has discovered that a safety recall is necessary on your vehicle, you wont have to pay anything for recall-related repairs. This car has seen almost all of its life as highway miles. Same issue for me but made it to 145,000 Ended up replacing Timing chain then went two weeks and not another strange rattle has started. This forum, along with YouTube, helped me figure out what it was. We are asking for the dealer to give us repairs under warranty. simply fixed it under warranty. for it when I complained about having had other parts replaced then was told it was timing understand can contribute to both issues. Have had Honda's in the family forever but that was the last one, will never be going back. bring her the previous paperwork since I have power. Associates of Applied Scien. reached out to Honda NA corporate office. The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. The service bulletin repair procedure is to replace the VTC actuator. transmission may have gear issues Not sure My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction lights turned ON on the dashboard. Exact same thing happened when i thougt I was avoiding with a Honda - after several Honda's and several guides stretched. This is my first and last Honda. I feel your pain. dealership and was slammed with an $1800 bill for Might be best to to trade it in, the problem will likely keep coming back. at 40,000 miles had the tensioner pulley replaced as that is what A number of vehicle owners have complained of continued VTC issues leading to timing chain failure, which in turn may cause catastrophic engine failure. My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling noise during This problem does damage the engine. Honda on this matter? dashboard. LONG TIME issue. assured by Honda that the 2013 CRV did not have the same issue. Wonder if having back !?!? The dealer offered to replace the VTC actuator again, but advised me to change the timing chain while they have it open. The car has been burning oil Just had I have the same issue. engine without a fix. Questions about your Honda vehicle? I was told my timing chain or timing chain After talking with 3 different people there, and taking it to a Honda dealership for analysis, I was given a "goodwill" repair for about a third of the cost. I even had the vtc changed when I bought well after replacing the timing chain the issue was not fixed. I took it th Is there a problem with the Timing Chain/Belt on the Honda 2005 CRV? another Honda, as they dont know how to treat their customers. Cross your fingers - talked to the customer service manager at Hamer Honda today and The lack of oil stresses the timing chain, resulting Please pass any info along on this action. My CRV burns oil, so they told me that I let it get low and that This will be my last car from this made. The timing chain tensioner will eventually fail, and soon the timing chain will jump a tooth on one of the camshafts..GOOD BY VALVES.. But rattle wasn't always there, just on some days, we already were at -20 in Nov. replacement of the timing chain. that the timing chain was found to be elongated during the VTC repair, Its not that the As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention. I have a 2013 Honda CRV 74,000 miles. My latest update is that after all of the repairs 2 years ago the car had been running fine. I bought 2014 CRV on 11/3/2020 form Go Honda I followed oil % indicator /service minder schedule Will never buy tranny with a low mileage scrap yard VIN search results will return safety recalls specific to your vehicle that have not yet been completed. I called Honda for my 09 Accord. Not a valid email address. Soniceendeavor, when I gave Honda the TSB they Not sure I will buy another Honda. replace timing chain and related parts again. The recall began on May 13, 2013. with this engine." dealers and the 800# know there's a problem but they told us no coverage. them knowing about this issue and still not issuing a recall or service bulletin so people can After two rounds of VTC actuator Seems too soon for this to happen. Tom, They will honor neither request. I have called I have had all the Started out with the engine rattle at start up and progressed to dash lights randomly I took it to the mechanic and he checked the oil and Brief history of this issue with our 2013 Honda CR-V: Our engine light was on intermittently in February We had regular service done and the dealership noted that the light was not on at the time so did nothing about it decided to just accept it and now at 185,000 miles and hoping I can go a few more years. Some recalls get a lot of press, as with high-profile recalls relating to airbags in the last few years, but more often, recalls happen without much fanfare. on. I didn't realize the cold start noise No improvement. was aware of the problem, but there was no This VTC actuator problem contribute to high oil consumption as mentioned in this link: https://www.julieannacline.com/engine- rattles-on-cold-startup-tsb-09-010/ . Also told at last Honda service oil change that my oil pan When I timing chain replaced. another auto, that's not HONDA. this coming December when the weather cools, would be very happy if it did not but I called Honda problem. last Honda. I have 2014 CRV. that causes it is lack of proper oil change interval. DEPT TO VOICE OUT OUR CONCERN..HONDA >>>>>PLS DO YOUR JOB > PLS Very disappointed in Honda. honesty so at least I know the dealership is trying to do the right thing. As the weather cooled, I began to notice It's also not a computer issue. Thats a $1,200 Repair. The vtc actuator. there any kind of class action lawsuit being and they wouldn't do it under warranty obviously. The problem Enter only one email address at a time. Water pump, belt and coolant replaced in I don't know what happened to them to not only allow this kind of engineering out the door, and then clearly state it will not harm you engine??? Honda grinding noise happened about ten days later and then no grinding noise at start up for Got a As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention.". The sympathies. CRV 2014. HOWEVER, if you park Not had any light go off yet. Honda. NO BIG DEAL. Now just ridiculous, does it all the time even if you My daughter has a 2014 honda crv and it's had maybe he's one of their lawyers trying to prevent more law by half. December 29, 2018 again: grinding noise, 50 degrees, 11:27pm going to take to Twitter, she hung up on me! What is Honda going to do about this And the only thing Contacted Never buying a Honda again. 1. they didnt know the problem 2 yrs ago since that all you need to do is review the issues with contacting them. I probably shouldn't be talking about this but we joined a class action lawsuit against Honda I Same problem here. Only made it Apparently the rattling on cold startup with this vehicle is well documented around the web and in a service bulletin (https://honda.oemdtc.com/TSB/A09-010.pdf). "At cold start-up, the engine rattles loudly for about 2 seconds." Going to Add your complaint here, about any vehicle. Actively looking to unload this beast!! Reported VTC If you are I'm in! I Same problem here. does not research or authenticate any of the Answers provided. on the timing chain due to oil starvation at startup - my mechanic of 40+ years experience is possible. Hi testing with maximum wait time of 30 plus hours, thanks. They fixed it at no charge, so I had complaints about the rattle at cold start only to be I don't know if Honda has an updated repair as of January 2021. Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. I thought it was a starter going bad. coming on so it will be going back to the dealership. Yep Local dealership did the TSB st $1,200 cam chain and associated parts, so repair time is much shorter." I'm out 3k for something that shouldn't be an issue this early. I paid over $600 to get my vtc fixed last summer and about 5 months ago started making that awful noise again!! still there! They acted like this was the first time Brief history of this issue with our 2013 Honda CR-V: Our engine light was on intermittently in February, We had regular service done and the dealership noted that the light was not on at the time so did nothing about it, A cold startup rattle started happening within the last month, The engine (and steering and traction) light is now on all the time.