https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en. Being an *untrained* klutz is something entirely different. Doesnt come into play until youve already fired 5 times. Glock claims that this translates into longer pistol longevity as well as better accuracy overall. The full magazine has ten rounds, and the "+1" is the round that is in the chamber. See? Practice your procedure till it becomes a natural reaction without thinking.You will have other things that must be accessed in those fractions of a second. But, IF I were, then Id have to choose that DA revolver in my headboard. The list of pistols that have a drop safety to prevent the gun from going off unintentionally when impacted is quite long you need to look no further than any of the handguns allowed in the . What is wrong with such ones is that they get a nice, warm, mushy, feeling of superiority over others by putting them down. You just have to get comfortable with it. Run what you brung. Glocks can be dangerous When they tumble and fall and the natural instinct is to catch. In some cases it's not legal. That being said, I also carry a M&P 9mm with one in the chamber. You need to load the gun, aim and fire while under stress in the event that you actually need to use it. Training is nothing more than repetition. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? SOME of these guns (Ruger, Rough Rider, IWI, Freedom Arms, Linebaugh) have transfer bar safeties and thus can be carried fully loaded. I do not carry a Glock and sorry 1911 fanatics I would only carry a 1911 with the hammer down (series 80) and chamber empty with a Series 70 and since I do not like to carry any gun with the chamber empty that is why I do not carry any longer my series 70 and pre-series 70 (original 1911) . Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. Modern revolvers with some sort of disconnect can be carried full up. Just go to there web site, or go to your gun store for more information. As in mentally deranged. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s To the point I know I can unholster, rack, and have my tritium dots centered on some perps forehead before they know whats coming. I recommend RTS Tactical for reliable, rifle-stopping options, Youre worth it. Id rather they stop production than change a design thats gone on unchanged for as long as it has. Only ONE centerfire pistol? - I'm too old to still think I know everything. The Glock 17 is a full-size pistol that is chambered in 9mm. Maybe I counted wrong? if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-2','ezslot_6',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-2-0');All this comes from an old incident within the New York City Police Department. An old retired civil servant who used to clean toilets in a federal building living off a small pension and social security. Two motions will always be quicker than four, unless one can somehow arrange to do all four simultaneously. My Ruger LCP is carried with one chambered, and in a pocket holster that covers the trigger. It degrades my ability to respond and limits my choices, but is still far better than some choice words. And my Glock 17. I once owned 12 of them. For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. Here's my situation: Carrying the pistol with a round in the chamber freaks me out. Dani: If you need to defend yourself, you cannot afford the time to rack the slide. Jun 4, 2009. Ive run an experiment with a rough 1911 with a POS barrel that was scrap. My home defense guns are locked and loaded ready to go. this aint Dodge city and you aint Bill Hickok Blam, Blam,Blam! I can raise and lower the bolt slowly in complete silence. I think I can answer that one. . Now youve introduced a firearm where one might not otherwise have been involved, not to mention triggering the bad guys own sense of self preservation. I really would like to know if theres a response to my comments. And the latter is where a Glock is dangerous as is *any* other firearm. Second, they also trained. Is it a lot of work to train to the level where you never get it wrong? OFC, in an experiment such as DGs above, we have to have that case in some sort of chamber, to hold the round in perfect position in line with the front of the firing pin while some other device provides the inertia to fire. The Glock is a semi-automatic pistol that was originally designed by an Austrian manufacturer called Glock Ges.m.b.H in 1982. Its your right to be retarded. If you cant train yourself to keep your finger off the trigger until you have made the decision to shoot any gun is dangerous in your hands. Especially in a stressful situation. Question: If it lands on its muzzle could it not go out-of-battery? I still dont get any notifications that someone has replied to any of my comments. Big Bill: First, mad would need to learn what punctuation is for. Because of its usefulness and reliability, many police and government agencies adopted this model as their service pistol. One never knows who one is talking to. Clearly not enough to train for scenarios where chambering a round can be life or death. Not an appreciable amount of time. Either you will practice with chambered, or chamber empty. The Israelis didn't invent the practice but it got the name from Israeli armed forces policy. An insignificant cretin crying for attention in a world that has left him far, far behind. Whatever stage you carry your weapon at be consistent. Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. Same here. The guns must of been 1911s or Browning HPs or similar SA only. Good luck!!!!! But youll likely carry for years and years, manipulating said weapon an uncountable number of times in the process. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? Notify me of follow-up comments by email. It completely wraps the pistol in hard plastic so there is no chance of anything flexing into the trigger guard. Never mind the others. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. At least the DA/SA or DAO provide a long hard trigger pull. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. If all you do at the range is stand there at the bench, pick up your gun, lock the slide, insert the magazine, and press the slide stop to send the slide forward, then get on target to shoot, you're not training yourself right. Most 1911s come with a half cock safety, but again, you would have to ensure it was engaged properly and its prone to breakage. Every day. It's a mental block you will have to outgrow. Third, the reason that actual experts (I would say I am knowledgeable to a point, but an expert I am not) recommend NOT carrying in Condition Three is for the reason that it takes a lot of training and repetition to get truly proficient and most people with a lot of training and proficiency dont carry their pistol unloaded. Im still getting comfortable with carrying, and Ill take an unchambered gun over one at home in the safe any day. You've only seen one page. The are a couple videos out there showing issues with holsters (kydex included) where bending or twisting caused a discharge. One of the interesting things about that is I can (after clearing) dry fire repeatedly and get a rough visual about how much the aim point moves depending on my grip and finger position. I doubt it. If you have a modern weapon in a holster that covers the trigger, you are in pretty good shape. Eventually, revolver designs changed. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. Considering how many types of expanding ammo my plethora of 1911s did not work very well with I gave up on them long ago. Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. Personally I dont just carry for my own personal defense, but also the defense of my country, my comrades and other citizens. Safety rule number 1 a gun is always loaded. . To sum up: there were a few objections to my original post that, on their face, had some truth to them. KAER adhere to the business philosophy of customer first, service first, quality first, and provide our customers with high-quality products and perfect service.. We are a professional manufacturer dedicated to the production of gun safes, safe box, pistol safe and other security products. Have you ever negligently failed to check your blind spot and cut someone off on the freeway? Carrying On An Empty Chamber. I have yet to find a dumb ass vaccine. However, there still isnt a compelling reason to carry a gun or keeping one for home defense that isnt loaded which cant be gotten around with a bit of training, a bit of brains, or a bit of extra gear. So you think youre perfect look in the mirror clown I am not trying to get an A here I really wonder if you can shoot at all like getting rounds on the target I think I hurt your feelings again wha what wha. Think about Her all you Geniuses that sing the siren song of the Utopian world of Glock. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Answer (1 of 104): For me. If you want a single action trigger pull, either carry a SAO autoloader in condition one, or choose a hammer fired model that one can manipulate its condition at will. sanctimonious what iffers I carry my Jericho the same way. It comes down to your comfort, training and repetitive use. People who ride a motorcycle to work know damn well their chances of being seriously hurt in an accident is astronomically higher than driving a Pick up truck to work. I carried it un-chambered for a few weeks till I was comfortable. Actually I carry a revolver, which is 1000% better at typical bad breath self defense ranges than an AR and 100% better than a semi-auto pistol that will get pushed out of battery on a contact shot. They DID make a variant with one (the Colt Cowboy) but they dont offer it anymore and the SAA is sold sans transfer bar. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. Victoria: I did find a workaround though. B.D. We are compensated for referring traffic and business to Amazon and other companies linked to on this site. Lol. And yes, I have done trigger work on 2 of my 3 Glocks. A good 1/2 inch drive ratchet upside the head will drop most anyone like they were a sack of feed corn. One or two chances to mess up with an empty chamber, but thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of chances to ventilate your own leg while taking a piss. However, that may be the reason I carry a revolver, but the reason I carry a gun (as I said) is because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT. *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress. Also, that gun will then give you a second try at any round that fails to fire the first time. Lets talk about the internal safety features and the facts of why Glocks are great handguns.Jordy Bucks well worn Glock 20 is carried daily. Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. I think five guns is the bare minimum, and thats how I always answer the one gun question. Many firearms enthusiasts and experts consider it to be the most effective and efficient way to carry a handgun for self-defense. The gunfight at the end was pretty good otherwise, but at one point Costner gets 16 shots out of his Colt SAA without reloading. Most cap and ball revolvers have carry notches between the nipple notches. Big thing, its hammer fired and its also DA/SA, so I have no problem with chambering a round and lowering the hammer. A true DAO trigger that has as much chance of going off in a pocket, or other ND, as a DA revolver does. Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. Have you ever negligently ran a red light? It seems that as long as the trigger is not manipulated the pistol will not fire. The Glock handgun is the preferred handgun of police worldwide. I thought I counted 17 in the battle scene in Open Range. Best thing you can do is buy a pistol that you can safely carry loaded with one in the chamber. Ammoland was intelligent enough to allow only one person to use a name at a time. I felt a few of the points that were raised had enough merit to discuss further. One was carrying a single action revolver without a transfer bar safety in a holster, and one under the hammer. In the 1930's, W.E. Ugggghhhhhh why are we still talking about this? YouTube it. You can also watch plenty of guys who have never once needed their guns in a confrontation, yet shot themselves because they kept one in the chamber. The hammer snagged on a branch, and he shot his horse (he was twisted by the tree). I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe, and I understand Glocks are way far overrepresented in the annals of ND, which is very easy to understand. Carrying any weapon with nothing in the chamber is carrying an unloaded weapon. So the trigger safety is designed to prevent the pistol from firing if its dropped or if the trigger is subjected to any pressure that isnt a direct firing pull.Best practice is to keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. The initial pull of this trigger performs generally the same function as the thumb safety of a 1911 or single action. Mad about covers it. Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. Each brand-new model enhanced the pistol and its functions.