. They did what they did with their eyes open, and were in rebellion against God. Clearly you dont know what is and is not doctrine, and are trying to throw shade. . Their theology was turned upside down! 9:16) after the final judgment. According to the Doctrine and Covenants, this will be a place that even in outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). 9:16; emphasis added). The Book of Mormon provides another testament concerning the existence of hell, and explains how one can escape the chains of hell in this life, and an everlasting hell in the next life, through application of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 12:16), hell which hath no end (1 Ne. Banishment into outer darkness. You have to be pretty bad to go to the Teresita's kingdom, and horrendous to go to outer darkness. Bold and italics in original). Utterly turn against god. Those consigned to hell or outer darkness are partakers of the second death, and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone. What do Mormons believe happened in the pre-existence? Mormon doctrines are often contradictory and inconsistent. outer darkness. Which means that really, no one knows anything about this. First of all, to become a son of perdition, you need to have been baptized into the church, then turned from the religion in order to fight against it, all the while knowing it is true. Grant Building What is the Book of Mormons contribution to our understanding of the New Testaments teachings concerning hell, or that lake of fire John calls the second death (Rev. (See D&C 76:2835, 4448.) 23:33). The Book of Mormon contains one reference to outer darkness. Jesus declared that this exalted city would be brought down to hell (Matt. But Mormons do not believe that just because a Prophet said it, that it makes it true. (Selections of Doctrines of Salvation, p. 462. The Book of Mormon teaches that only through the Atonement of Christ can one escape the damnation of hell. Jacob testified that without the infinite atonement all mankind would be forever subject to the awful monster, death and hell, and thus would become like the devil and his angels (2 Ne. In the parable of the wedding of the kings son, the king discovered that a guest was not properly attired in the required wedding garment, i.e., righteousness. Thank you! Yet what kind of devious person would it be who knew full well that Mormonism was trueincluding the historicity of theBook of Mormon,the authenticity of the restored churchs leadership that began withJoseph Smith,and the accuracy of theFirst Visioneventand then fight against these truths? (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 125). This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition (Doctrines of Salvation 2:220). The "authority" to marry a man to one wife is not the same as the "authority" to marry a man to more than one wife. Thirty-three times it stands alone, without modifiers or explanation of what it means, as in And thus we see the end of him who perverteth the ways of the Lord; and thus we see that the devil will not support his children at the last day, but doth speedily drag them down to hell (Alma 30:60). . 22:13) that awaits the wicked? Salvation is release from the guilt and power of sin through God's gift of grace. (see Rom. Because of the resurrection, the body and spirit of the wicked are restoredthe body from the grave and the spirit from hell to be judged. Okay, so Cain, we have one guaranteed person according to no citation whatsoever. [4] Augustine, The City of God, trans. Twelfth President Spencer W. Kimball wrote. 40 talks in 40 days for General Conference, Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. (Elder Bruce R. McConkie Mormon Doctrine Lecture, #2, Brigham Young University, 1967.). 8:13). The Book of Mormon contains six references to the second death: one reference by Jacob (Jacob 3:11), three by Alma (Alma 12:16, 32; 13:30), and two by Samuel the Lamanite (Hel. 185 Heber J. it could be a reference for the resurrected who gain inheritance on other worlds but without the fulness of Lets go to modern revelation: that there would be no daughters of perdition. Joseph F. Smith Stan Larsen, ed., A Ministry of Meetings: The Diaries of Rudger Clawson, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Smith Associates and Signature Books, 1993) p. 560, Somebody called me up on the telephone and asked if there were daughters of perdition. The wicked are cast into outer darkness until the time of their resurrection, Alma 40:13-14. In contrast, Book of Mormon references to the second death are embedded in sermons that teach it in context with other essential elements of the plan of salvation. [3]. The phrases depths of hell, awful hell, sleep of hell, pains of hell, chains of hell, everlasting hell, and endless hell are all unique to the Book of Mormon. But what is light? What is Outer Darkness? This website is not owned by or affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes called the Mormon or LDS Church). See Michael Hicks, Joseph Smith, W.W. Phelps, and the Poetic Paraphrase of The Vision, Journal of Mormon History 20 (Fall 1994) 2: 63-84 for discussion of authorship of this poem.). (You are not one of those spirits since you have a mortal body.). There are ten references to the lake of fire and brimstone in the Book of Mormon. Hmmm.. I doubt whether it can be found, from the revelations that are given and the facts as they exist, that there is a female in all the regions of hell. Brigham Young Journal of Discourses 8:222. For example, John saw the judgment in vision and wrote that death and hell delivered up the dead . I have no fear of hell fire, that doesnt exist, but the torment and disappointment of the mind of man is as exquisite as a lake burning with fire and brimstoneso is the torment of man. The Book of Mormon speaks of only two groups who inhabit the postmortal spirit world: the righteous, who exist in a state of happiness called paradise; and the wicked, who are consigned to outer darknessthe wicked being those who have been captivated by the devil and who will be resurrected to an endless hell. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire (Rev. So lets turn to that bastion of all wisdom that Jeremy Runnells was blamed for not believing and turning to with questions: FAIRMormon: The church has no official position on this issue. The followers of Satan who will suffer with him in eternity. Usually, when one is going to hell, the unspoken caveat is unless they repent. At the same time, prophets and apostles have taught that you can be sent to outer darkness for simply disbelieving or for apostasy or for being a part of a religion that doesn't have apostles. On the day of Pentecost, the apostle Peter spoke of the promise David had received that his soul would not be left in hell (Acts 2:27). Generally, the outer darkness is thought to be hell; however, many Christians associate the outer darkness more generally as a place of separation from God or from the metaphorical "wedding banquet" that Jesus is expected to have upon his Second Coming. That Satan rebelled against Christ and God the Father and was cast out with all of Satans followers and will not receive a body. So the prophet, meeting with apostles is clear on this, there are women. In Christianity, it is understood that anyone who denies the holy spirit goes to outer darkness, but they see it as a synonym for Hell. In this state of torment Alma remembered his fathers teachings about Jesus Christ and his redemptive mission. Therefore repent ye, repent ye, lest by knowing these things and not doing them ye shall suffer yourselves to come under condemnation, and ye are brought down unto this second death (Hel. Mormons also believe that those on Earth with bodies can become a Son of Perdition, tho this is difficult to do. Alma 40. 8:1112). This is a Son of perdition. That ought to bring a sigh of relief to many who are reading this article! 34:3435; note Almas repetitive use of the word state in Alma 40:1112; see also D&C 101:9091; 133:7073). A person would have to be very wicked to know the church was true yet still fight against it! I said: I dont know and he said, How can I find outI just called Spencer Kimball and he told me he didnt know either. They place themselves beyond the power of repentance and beyond the mercies of God. If you want to make the point that Mormon Prophets have said some weird stuff, I am all for it. . In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the tormented rich man in hell . Mormons believe that there Prophets are fallible and in no way perfect. Outer Darkness. GOSH. And if they be evil they are consigned to an awful view of their own guilt and abominations, which doth cause them to shrink from the presence of the Lord into a state of misery and endless torment, from whence they can no more return; therefore they have drunk damnation to their own souls. Big Love's episode "Outer Darkness" Summary: It is not our intention to discuss details of the portrayal of the temple ceremony here. The Book of Mormon presents several significant insights concerning the lake of fire and brimstone of which John spoke. Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List. lucifer. Finally, John saw that death and hell delivered up the dead to be judged according to their works, and death and hell were cast into [a] lake of fire (Rev. Joseph restated that anyone who apostatized from the church was a son of perdition in a poem for W.W. Phelps, Sons of Perdition as those who are ever lost, and can never return to the presence of God, the poem declared that such is the torment apostates receive. (Joseph Smith, The Answer to W.W. Phelps, Esq. No Mormon since the 1890 change has had the authority to marry any man to more than one woman. Learn how your comment data is processed. what about that 1/3 the host of heaven who didnt follow Gods plan Joseph F. Smith was so sure qualify as Sons of Perdition were NONE of them women? A) Most humans B) Satan C) His angels D) Sons of Perdition. 8:17), and endless hell (Moro. Jesus marvelled at the faith of a centurion he met in Capernaum and proclaimed that many would come from the east and west, and [would] sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL ANGELS WHO ARE INCAPABLE OF SINNING. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The. T F According to a church manual, those who never were Mormon could never be sent to Outer Darkness. 9:4. As used in the New Testament, hell is an English word which is translated from two Greek words: hades (used ten times) and geenna (twelve times). Hence the saying: They will go into the lake that burns with fire and brimstone. ; Mormon Temple Worship. He was not ignorant, and therefore he became perdition, and they who followed him were sons of perdition, because he and they sinned knowingly. Both Luther, who taught soul sleep till the resurrection of the dead, and Calvin, who taught the immortal soul, considered the "outer darkness" references in Matthew to refer to the last judgment. And since we know that prophets speaking define it, this is the definition we should use. John identified specific sins that would lead to the lake of fire and brimstone: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death (Rev. This is what was taught by several important church leaders, including founder Joseph Smith. Plagiarism and The Globe a comparative analysis, The Shunning Key by bwv549 - Mormon Bandwagon, https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/sons-of-perdition, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_perdition_(Mormonism), https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/What_is_Mormon_Doctrine.pdf, https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22, LDS Church and Same Sex Marriage Timeline, The Pump LDS film and the original source, Ethan Smith, Hyrum Smith, Oliver Cowdery, Solomon Spaulding connections. In Peters second general epistle to the Church, he taught concerning the angels who had sinned, saying that God cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness (2 Pet. Your generous support makes the work of MRM possible. Meanwhile, I have known many who could be considered fighters against the church, including those who became involved in what could be considered anti-Mormon activities. The Book of Mormon also teaches that by coming unto Christ, one can escape the pains of hell experienced in this life. Twenty-nine times the word hell is used with descriptive modifiers, for example, depths of hell (1 Ne. . Christ brings to pass the resurrection of all menThe righteous dead go to paradise and the wicked to outer darkness to await the day of their resurrectionAll things will be restored to their proper and perfect frame in the Resurrection. So, in the Mormon view, none of these so-called polygamist marriages are valid, religiously or legally. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols., (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 195456), 31.; Bruce R. McConkie, Seven Deadly Heresies, 1 June 1980, BYU Marriot Center.). Banishment from all progress. And remember you can be excommunicated for asking church leaders to give solid answers so trust the apologists who say to only trust the prophets on matters like this. (To see his baptism for the dead record and other temple work done for him, click here.). Dennis L. Largey, Hell Second Death, Lake of Fire and Brimstone, and Outer Darkness, inThe Book of Mormon and the Message of the Four Gospels, ed. Woman must atone for sins committed by the volition of her own choice, but she will never become an angel to the devil, and sin so far as to place herself beyond the reach of mercy. Brigham Young Discourse delivered October 8, 1861, pp. He stated that converts made by the Pharisees became twofold more the child of hell than their teachers (Matt. The celestial, terrestrial, and telestial are kingdoms of glory. However, sons of perdition cannot achieve forgiveness and will be completely cast outside of the light of God. The third use occurs in the parable of the talents: "And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30). I wonder if the language is tripping people up here. Christians have debated for centuries the nature of the hell fire of which Jesus spoke (Matt. Each person must reap the harvest of the seeds sown in this life. Ball (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 2001), 7789. In each New Testament passage that speaks of hell (the word hades is neutralneither a place of punishment nor reward but the place of departed spirits) the context associates it with suffering and punishment. Other sources used in composing this topic: http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_darkness#Usage_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement, http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Eventual_fate, http://emp.byui.edu/satterfieldb/quotes/Sons%20of%20Perdition.htm. King Benjamin and Alma also use the word as to preface their reference to a lake of fire and brimstone (see Mosiah 3:27; Alma 12:17). Death brought a reversal of their conditions wherein the rich man in hell became a beggar, longing for a drop of water from the finger of Lazarus, who was now in heaven, or Abrahams bosom. In the parable Abraham explained the impossibility of receiving his request, because between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence (Luke 16:1926). Jacob identified death and hell as temporal and spiritual death. 3:12), the tares are gathered and burned in the fire (Matt. D&C 133:73 says, These shall go away into outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Humans who never heard about Mormonism will not go there, as tenth President Joseph Fielding Smith said, That is a punishment that will not come to those who have never known the truth. Ah yes, well with clarity like that, why would Jeremy ever doubt them and ask for official sources! And thats why men alone get, I mean need the priesthood. FAIRMormon says on this page even: When any man, except the President of the Church, undertakes to proclaim one unsettled doctrine, as among two or more doctrines in dispute, as the settled doctrine of the Church, we may know that he is not moved upon by the Holy Ghost, unless he is acting under the direction and by the authority of the President. And as such I would qualify. Source. In the D&C, the definition of those who go to Outer Darkness is stated as: the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows; Neither was it revealed, neither is, neither will be revealed unto man, except to them who are made partakers thereof;Nevertheless, I, the Lord, show it by vision unto many, but straightway shut it up again; Wherefore, the end, the width, the height, the depth, and the misery thereof, they understand not, neither any man except those who are ordained unto this condemnation (D&C 76:45-48). . When the lights were out and we were on the verge of sleep, our camp counselor took advantage of the moment and endeavored to imprint his teachings upon the minds of his captive audience. That it is the most severe punishment that can be meted out to man is apparent. The righteousness of some (Abraham or Lazarus) cannot erase the consequences of anothers sins (the rich man). Here is one more thing to think about: I work full time with a Christian ministry aimed at converting Mormons. In this realm, as the name implies, there will be no light, and consequently no heat. Mormons believe we existed before coming to Earth. Youll never regret it. By taking 2 Nephi 2:25 to its logical conclusion, we learn that Satan also fell that men might be, and that they might have joy! But behold, the resurrection of Christ redeemeth mankind, yea, even all mankind, and bringeth them back into the presence of the Lord. Just one rebellion. Also, the whole thing about Daughters of Perdition. It honors and glorifies Satan. The filthy would be more miserable to dwell with God than to dwell in hell, Morm.