can you tell me which facility so i can ask around? I was in Destiny family. I was there in 2001, i remember being there. And anger issues?! I was there from fall of 01-March of 02. I remember some of the cabin names.Blue SkyTetonGreen-something? He slit his wrists if I remember, but survived. Finally I somehow stuffed my shit together in the pack and finally they helped me after my pack fell apart because I packed it one handed. SCL taught me that no matter what I will ALWAYS be at fault. REDFIN IS COMMITTED TO AND ABIDES BY THE FAIR HOUSING ACT AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY ACT. What is this facility? Im relieved to know this place was shut down. I got to come home because I graduated HS, and that was my mothers only concern. We never deserved that nor the awful mental and emotional repercussions that still longer and influence us today. Rates from $55 - $65 a night plus tax. Idk if anybody ever looks at this shit anymore, as 20 years in the past comes and goes. We are from Ohio. My substance abuse problems and parental disobedience stemmed from a lack of intelligent and honest parenting. Oh, Randy was a different staff member with a cowboy hat and a small black dog? I knew Joah at Sprimg Creek. The mental torture they put you through was insane. I kept my mouth shut and the next night they were gone. I heard a rumor that they couldnt restrain you if you were naked, so I tried it. Yep just had a nightmare I was there again woke up feeling sick and not wanting to go back to sleep. I am looking for anyone who was at SCL in 2005. I was the one that stole the truck and ran away with him. My father had me kidnapped and taken In cuffs to another state where I wasnt legally an adult. Who is this girl? Chelsie, you are right about not remembering everything clearly. Anyways Ive ranted enough. That was all the best craziest I can say right now or Ill be typing for atleast a week. I was sent there when i was 13 as well for almost two years i was the youngest girl there too im now 28 and feel as if that place ruined my life and changed the path my life i wished ended up.. I stayed at level one, zero points for a whole year. Rates from $30 a night plus tax. Sure it sucks not beig able to eat or watch tv when you want and you have to follow a bunch of bullshit rules. I loved working with the students and trying to help them work through their problems and difficult situations. I get out calmly and walk to the back of the truck. Anyone know a James Lothian or a Ryan Brown. I think his name was Danny. We would often have to stop in the middle of marching from place to place to accommodate other lines or stop at the restrooms. Live well and prosper when you finish your stint. He was an ex heroin addict with tattoos all over his body. The same girl headed a mini-rebellion consisting of some girls from her cabin breaking out and running around the campus naked. I was in dignity then Focus, then respect when I was sent back. Much love and support. Feeling like killing all the staff and myself. I had plain oatmeal coming out of my fuckin ears by the time I left. My heart felt empty because the program manipulated his parents. Ive seen kids get beat mistreated etc. Absolutely NO WAY he didnt know what went on there; Im surprised he admitted that in his book (hes actually proud of it), after reading about all the law suits, suicides, murder, rape, assault, and so on that Spring Creek has been accused of over the years. John the one i remember was a cool guy, he was the one that talked to me when i got there. Yo I was there in dignity my name is Matthew ! When were you there Jimmy. Spent a lot of time in a lot of facilitys but tranquility bay and spring creek were by far the worse. I just wanted to survive and not stand out. HOWEVER I tramsferred to Tranquility Bay in Jamaica but returned to Thompson Falls in May of 04. We could all make millions . WWASP Survivors is run by a dedicated group of concerned alumni of WWASP-affiliated programs. Not perfect, but harmless. Also, if you wouldnt mind posting this comment on the Youth Foundation page, more parents would be able to read it before they considered sending their kids to youth foundation success academy. I would ask to go to the Hobbit every time a seminar came up. I remember one time looking up at the people with me and our face masks all had beards of frost hanging off our faces where our breath had frozen there. I was like most taken in the middle of the night from my bed in western washington over to Montana. But if a program does it, using staff that usually had high school diplomas at max and who were paid around minimum wage and poorly trained if at all, while charging tens of thousands of dollars a year, somehow it becomes okay? Filming will take place at the Yellowstone Film Ranch in Livingston this spring after previously being held at the Bonanza Creek Ranch near Santa Fe, New Mexico, according to the announcement. My parents grew wary of them after a few phone calls and a letter I sent to my father using codes and I was pulled after about 7 months of intense madness of a true American teenie gulag. Just wanted to share get back to me. I couldnt speak of it in detail until a few years ago. It was very bad but apparently it had gotten worse. There are so many little lessons I learned there that I still use today. As did WWASP itself, when it changed its name to Teen Revitalization and its Resource Realizations (seminars) to Premiere Education Seminars. I was in quest I believe in 2000 2001. Was Doug the little guy that was always in the hobbit? I get off work. TREC:Info About Brokerage Services,Consumer Protection Notice. I have since married and had three children, and can say I am pretty happy in my life. Bamandah@gmail.com. I was going to Spring Creek in Montana and it was really hard having everything taken away from you and then you grow close to your people who are surviving this shit with you and then you find out that everyone is being split up. I can remember countless times when they would needlessly call for support staff and watch as 6 male staff pinned me to the ground. I think him and his wife lived in an old converted school bus somewhere outside of town. I never even made it to level 3 I didnt want it. If my child ever reads this I want her to know that I am sorry. I pretty much lived in level 2 up to this point just so I could have condiments on my food. Did you wear glasses? Everything else was sort of just a juvie type of atmosphere, kids being shifty and staff attempting to catch them. I found your site after reading a cautionary review on Amazon.com of Teen Whisperer by Mike Linderman. Boasting 1,209 pristine acres of spring creek fishing, wing shooting, and waterfowl hunting, McCoy Spring Creek Ranch is a trophy ownership opportunity. and SHARING, WTF is SHARING?? Our parents were victimized by Lichfield and company and some continue to struggle with the after effects of sending their kids off to some dark corner of the world to be changed. In addition, there are 4,000 elk, 800 antelope, and 1,500 mule deer on the property for rotational grazing. At first they put me in intervention for long periods of time in solitary confinement. I was already struggling in school before I had the surgery and missed months of school. I didnt need to run and hide in bumfuck montana! You would go sleep on a piece of plywood with a staff member in front of the door. He was assigned to be my shadow and he had been there for 13 months or something and was almost out of there but he was still the same person that arrived there just faking it to get out of there. And all of that sounds pretty bad. I didnt believe it. I was in the hobbit over thanksgiving and also around christmas of the year 2000. I just found out about this place. Most of you out there that say it was a prison or cult only say that because your little kids throwing a temper tantrum because you didnt get your way, you didnt get to party late and have sex or take drugs, because you had NO respect for your parents or yourselves..oh and you were aloud to talk to your parents there just not straight away.. otto? if u are ever on this site again, Yes Im 52 and was at spring creek in 83-84 I still to this day have PTSD nightmares and an not on speaking terms with my family. I was in Quest family, Quest family veteran here. Some kids that I knew stayed for years. They look like the reason god gave us flame thrower s lol lets toss some salad. I was in the Genesis family. I do feel like I have this dark past that nobody really understands though If anyone remembers me you can reach out, I have a really bad memory and struggle because my coping mechanism is to block things out. Seriously hope everyone involved in that places burns. Koch family unloads Montana ranch to Rupert Murdoch for $200M. So many bad memories. One day they will have to answer for the things they did. You should head over to the kiss wwasps ass forums. That would be my advice. He started indoctrinating us during this time where we all felt literally lost in the woods to his version of how we should view ourselves and the way we had been living. Gave what I could. It sucked when you had to lug that thing around. Technically I even graduated High School from Spring Creek. 3 kids, work in IT, got a degree from OU and lived in Denver for a bit. I was put on a plane to Arizona in December and I ended up being forced marched through the canyon country for 3 weeks. I was rebellious, purposefully non-compliant. Dont punish yourself brother. Hi. You need to speak to a journalist in Heron or the Missoulian. I was pretty much gone for the Summers staying at a friends house near the beach surfing everyday with my three best friends smoking, drinking, taking ecstasy,acid, getting arrested,steeling my brothers car and driving it to Pennsylvania. I am hopeful to find some of the people I met during my time there. Before the 2 story additions. Stephanie i was also in serenity in 99 but later after failed attempts by staff to force me to move up in levels like 3allstar i was transferred to the new family destiny they built above the junior staff cabins. i do not know your husband and i didnt went too this place but i had a similar experience elsewhere in europe when i was a teen. MLS# 22110842. We used the phone in there and when they got the phone bill we were caught. Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch is a vacant land on a 1,185 acre lot. I started in a lower-level family that I cant remember the name for the life of me, Integrity maybe? Youre a good man, and always have been. Was there march 31 2002 july 1, 2004. i know you just want to help and i envy your husband for having such a committed wife. I would be Dead or in Prison had I not Undergone the Change that SCL is Soley Responsible for. We have multiple tent sites that can be reserved online. When enough boys had arrived, they split us into 3 groups and told us to come up with family names and we would get our own cabins. When I arrived i saw brainwashed kids everywhere I looked. I have bad memories and that place took a lot of my good qualities and I didnt leave with them. So yes I was a pain im sure. Plan for your Montana fishing trip. I remember gravel pit and how fresh and revived I felt afterwords. I was lucky that my parents were growing tired of for me to go there. I was in a hopeless situation when she was a teenager and didnt know how to handle it. It was a cross between a military school and a cult. Although I was often penalized for the former by the upper level girls, I was usually doing nothing except not looking straight ahead of me. The ranch has been endowed with some of the most impressive natural resources found anywhere in the west all of which have been enhanced and protected by the current owners' stewardship practices. Did any girl ever have anything similar happen to them? I cant say i didnt learn anything from the academy, and there are definitely a few individuals i met there that i will never forget, but that school was nothing more than a money trap for parents having difficulties understanding there teenagers, using kids to profit hundreds of thousands of dollars every year. NOBODY INTERVEINED AND SHE JUST SHARED SOME VERY SERIOUS SHIT. Finally one day when I had my scheduled call, my mother asked , Are they listening to you talk. and I said , Yes . It was quite an adventure. Im really trying to find a Trauma and PTSD therapist right now possibly a psych who is already educated on Spring Creek / WWASP. I recall one of my kiddos was out there for staying up to late. I can garuntee you she didnt spend all of that money on it. It worked a couple times but then they just decided to cover me with a sheet while they restrained me instead. If we screwed up we would be put in a tent with the same meager rations from the Arizona desert or forced to walk 10+ miles. How are you gonna mention doug b4 me man lol. Did you have braces? Why? To those who had more trouble re-adjusting back to life, I fully understand. Anyway thankful for your post Brann id enjoy a conversation with you anytime, My name is Chris and I attended Spring Creek Lodge for 6 months in 2003 all I can say is the horror stories are spot on the neglect was real the psychological and physical abuse was real and The Hobbit which only people that have gone to the school will understand what Im talking about pretty much destroyed any self-worth that I had when I requested my exit plan I was given a ride to the nearest homeless shelter and the clothes on my back in the middle of winter I am so glad the school is shut down and I have the utmost hatred for both the school the staff and my parents who still to this day stand behind what they did I hope to God anybody that is stuck in a program like this run run run run it is the only hope and when they let loose the dogs make sure they tear your face off so that you have the physical proof of what they do I know for a fact that use dogs at Spring Creek Lodge to track down students who have ran I only know this because I was put on junior staff privilege and sent on a Manhunt for a lower class student who had ran this school actually had measures and plan taught to their staff in the case that somebody ran or in the case that somebody tried to hurt themselves simply because it happened so frequently and the staff made sure to downplay anything that was going on at the school that would be construed as detrimental to the well-being of a minor the two men at the head of this ship should be held for their crimes and being given the the chair if you ask me which would be fitting because all we would have to do is tell him that its worksheet sit on your stool and stare at the wall only for him there would be no release after 24 hours of sitting on the stool this may sound like a rant or exaggeration but all I can say is I have not construed the truth in any way if you want any more details feel free to contact me I will speak freely about everything that went on at that school if thats what you want to call it, My name is Chris and I attended the school in 2003 I currently live in Phoenix Arizona and when I read your story about the desert I thought maybe you would still be around here if you are I would totally be down to talk to you Im going through a little bit myself now that I am in my 30s and the flashback of this period of my life are starting to dominate my current psyche I think maybe if I was able to connect with some other people that understood what I went through I might be able to talk of the flashback if you would be okay talking with me please by all means give me a call my phone number is 602-596-3046, Looks like this isnt a very active place to post anymore, but I just wanted to state that I think I have everyone beat in a few ways. I almost didnt get away because I had a hard time leaving my friend josh there waiting to get picked up. Anyway you guys feel free to holler at me if you see this. I remember they would humiliate people individually I front of everyone bring up serious issues like rape and abuse infront of everyone. So many memories of that shit hole I could go on for hours if not days. Experience the wilds of Montana on a multi-day horse pack adventure. So for any parent that reads this that thinks about sending there kid off to some place you have no clue whats going on. do remember we were only allowed a toothbrush, but no toothpaste. Funny name to give considering that serenity was the farthest thing from describing this place. I could not talk to boys. We use to watch movies with u guys on sundays. Thank god there closed no one should have to go through the bullshit I went through in those programs. Well suprise suprise they got shut down! The worst for me was the emotional abuse. I believed that his counselor, Laurie was looking out for him. He was indeed traumatized by wwasps. We actually spent time in the lodge where it was warm and dry. Oh you did..great glad all of us underage minors could help you out with that at 3 am in the rain.our pleasure, Jessica !! I just cant imagine putting my child in an environment like that. Thanks. You truly were my only friend j could trust there. Yes, I was 16, doing some recreational drug use, maybe a little overboard with the speed, esp so young but whatever,but when i got out i moved out of my parents house, bounced around, no real address for a few years, and was mainlining by the time i was 18. after getting in some trouble, i got out of all of that. isnt it funny how some guy would be support staff one day and then hes your teacher the next day. Not only do you get to live in a luxurious Tell us how to reach you and we'll get back in touch. I was the kid that got messed with. Spring Creek Ranch. After sitting in isolation for about 3 weeks I was finally back to my next way out of here. So good to see this page is still active and I, like many others still think about that time in Montana. Options include diverse lodging packages, camping trips, wilderness horse pack expeditions, day trips and world wide travel. Fishing changes by the week in Montana. There were only about 20 boys at Spring Creek when I arrived we were the first and opened that damn hell hole like prisoners opening up a new yard. it takes time. Pretty much just to get me out of her hair so she could drink and party honestly. Required fields are marked *. aka looking out the window at you haha. I think the reason Im pretty good with names is only because Cameron (we called him Dough Boy) had me do the censusso Id type up all the kids names on that weekly level report they posted in the hallway of the school buildingthe building across from the Hungry Horse that had the case workers like Laurie Travers & Jades wife Cassies offices in the middleso yeah, I can recall a lot of names. in a week and half hes your therapist. If anyone knows where to get any help in the tacoma seattle area please post an email or something here. I was the guy that tried to break out with Jake and Eugene but I didnt make it out the window because Jake made a ton of noise. If you are a staff member you were party to the systematic mental and physical abuse of the program, designed to promote failure in all but those who actually needed real help. It was like living in bizarro world. That place has haunted me for years.I was there about three months when the first of the girls began to arrive they would make us lay on the ground and put our face in our hands so we couldnt look at them.I remember the pit, the hobbit and all the bullshit we had to go through. Do you have any idea where they could have taken her? that is the full truth and whole truth about my 2 escape attempts within my 2 months I was there. The girls memory had faded but was still there. She hated me so much when my mom finally pulled me outta there she didnt even come to say by. The Ranch at Rock Creek offers year-round unique vacations on an authentic 19th-century homestead. So many parents refuse to admit their mistakes and it is extremely frustrating as a former inmate to deal with. I was in Quest I think and our family father was Al. My mom was so set on me graduating and returning home as her new and improved accountable daughter.. what a success youve become I did graduate both school and the program. Find out if there are any available rods on the day you want to fish! lol of course im much much older and was dumb, we tried making the best situation out of a horrible one. The restored wetland complex provides world class waterfowl hunting and endless wildlife viewing, and the spring creek and Nevada Creek are home to wild and native trout species. High Impact in Mexico definitely did not help and my only reward for graduating that boot camp in Mexico is getting sent back to Spring Creek Lodge until I left at 18. One activity was the lifeboat and you had to go tell all your fellow prisoners if they lived or died. buncha rednecks wed call family fathers. Situated on the Laramie Plains in south central Wyoming, the Spring Creek Ranch controls 3,190+/- acres of productive Wyoming prairie. Kids trying to commit suicide was a weekly issue. Three years in the program, never made it above level one, never went to a single seminar, and rebelled just enough to not get transfered to Jamaica. Instead of standing in formation, Id sit down and start a conversation considering I stopped caring in the least about points. I didnt care because I was going home, my ticket was already bought but she had to staybehind. Punishments were abnormal and out of place. I remember John too. The guides wouldnt let anyone help me. Im sorry to hear all your bad stories of how you were treated no kid should ever go through that. The Missoulian ran week after week of stories about these boarding schools in Thompson Falls and around Montana but as an outsider, you read things but do not comprehend the actual reality of the situation. I had access to everyones files and some of the pictures of self mutilation that the kids did to themselves as a result of staff was disturbing. Talk about some gay shit lol they said I would amount to nothing!!!!! Who are these two ex cop guys?? All these rivers are the perfect alternative to the private spring creek fishing on the McCoy Spring Creek Ranch. I remember you and remember your love for classic muscle cars. I did keep my promise and removed her before she completed the program. Fuck this place. They were housed opposite side of honor right? Options include all inclusive fishing lodges, convenient hotel packages and unique river front vacation cabins and homes. Also, if you dont mind posting this again, reddit.com/r/troubledteens has a really big active following and your message just might reach the right people to get her story out there. I truly feel that the abuse and neglect allegations were kids writing their mommies trying to get them to bring theme home. I was sent away because I was a less than desirable child to have in your home. And just cause they flew the same colour rag, the crips n scraps clickes up. Ill never forget watching her all alone up there and feeling so horrible about just sitting there while the facilitator asks her to move on to her next trauma. What was all this standing and marching in line? Montana Angler holds a federal permit to guide our guests on these legendary waters, Fish over 20 legendary Montana rivers across multiple valleys or get off the beaten path on our exclusive private access ranch leases. Picturesque fly fishing properties can be found on rivers like the Big Hole, Beaverhead, Yellowstone, Smith, Jefferson, Madison, Gallatin and many other prolific, native trout fisheries, while the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem provides the backdrop to Montana horse and cattle ranches. I am not so sure this is actually a survivor sounds more like a former staff member to me. Let us answer all of your questions and help you choose exceptional lodges in Chile, Argentina, Alaska and the Bahamas. From May of 2003 to June of 2004, Im Amber Wayman. Danny I believe you had a twin brother, I cant remember his name. We were in the same family. Raise awareness of the true nature of WWASP Programs, to advocate for those still being held in Troubled Teen programs, and to provide validation and support to survivors of WWASP programs. He was my bunk mate when I first went to courage upstairs in Grizzly. Someone mentioned that it was a place where we lost our dreams and it seems like that US true bc everything th a rd happened to me after I left has been a result of what that place made me become. I was a naive kid that cared deeply about what others thought of me, I figured staying out of peoples lives would make me feel better. Then again I definitely wasnt trying to find anything like this when I got out, and Facebook has done wonders for finding people and talking about all the crazy shit our parents and others will ever get. For those who proclaim I vaguely remember that if that is you. Im personally glad that the school has been shut down, recently being changed to a place where students can take college courses. I dont see that as an excuse for doing what he did if he did it, but yeah, he was screwed with like all of us. My son Gabriel was there in 1997. For pricing on lodging packages visit each individual package for rates, inclusions and exclusions. Lol I remember doing the kettle corn lol smh. Still havent heard from him love to find him one day he was a good partner. And just love them and support them as much as you can through it all.guide them try to understand what there going through. I would like to hear from you guys that were there in the beginning like I was. READ REDFIN'S, Do not sell or share my personal information. I did not attend this school and Im very thankful for that. I was there jan2005 to 0ct2006 I was was Serenity. After reading all this, I dont want to hear any of Mr. I just decided to look up SCL just to try to look at a picture of the grounds for whatever reason. I spent alot of time in worksheets for looking at girls. The surrounding porches provide ideal places to enjoy long summer evenings. They both obviously were sadists, and I know that WWASPs employs perverts ( Robert Lichfield himself has even been rumored to be a rapist), but I just got a particular kind of weird feeling about Chaffin especially. The nearest commercial airport is in the town of Butte, which is within a 1-hour drive from the ranch. True, I did make a few friends there, but the creepy and psychologically fraudulent aspects of those weird seminars and inner child bullshit were actually traumatizing! Now I have 2 kids a sexy ass wife and am a welder in tbe steelworkers union in pittsburgh pa. Cameron.how much money do you make? This place did nothing in the form of help and guidence for teens. She said she already knew I was gone and she knew about a couple other crimes I did in between to eat and whatever so she was my biggest cheerleader to get home and booked me a plane ticket to get home that was departing in about an hour. Either way it is a system that has been proven to be not only flawed, but negligently foolish. Considering WE all went through it. There were small victories however, occasionally vicarious ones. Jessica I emailed you and I never got anything back. Last week during the Youth Foundation parent/child seminar, Chaffin Pullan (who is the new director since Jade Robinson resigned) mentioned taking the kids to Riverview in Montana. maggie.bidwell@gmail.com, I am trying to help my boyfriend piece together the story of his time at Spring Creek Lodge.